You're kidding me, right? Is a chin part of the neck now? If I'm not mistaken, BETWEEN the knee and neck does not include a chin. Can you explain how you don't get this?
is a chin a part of the face?
"Show us regular life without feet and face."
mission accomplished in my opinion. my post was more about people being so quick to call foul on a technicality more-so than what constitutes a face. it would seem the 2 of you are in the minority tho as to whether or not the guidelines were followed
Originally posted by rugman1969:
If you can't follow them, don't submit anything
slippery slope there, not much room for artistic freedom in that statement. you may not have noticed but challenges have DESCRIPTIONS, not RULES. the RULES apply to editing
This has nothing to do with art. This is a photography website. They have rules for a reason. If you can't follow them, don't submit anything. Yes, it's a good photo, but it did not follow the rules. Everyone else followed the rules. Why should this be an exception? If you don't have to follow the rules of the challenge, then everything should be a free study.
perhaps frustration at the seemingly endless parade of stock and commercial photography from those with unlimited budgets for studios, models and sets? thank you for speaking out but Im sure you will be hosed by most - best to find a site with fine art photography as the emphasis. gl
No rules were broken. I took creative license. There's a pretty big difference there.
Originally posted by rugman1969:
This has nothing to do with art. This is a photography website. They have rules for a reason. If you can't follow them, don't submit anything. Yes, it's a good photo, but it did not follow the rules. Everyone else followed the rules. Why should this be an exception? If you don't have to follow the rules of the challenge, then everything should be a free study.
This has nothing to do with art. This is a photography website. They have rules for a reason. If you can't follow them, don't submit anything. Yes, it's a good photo, but it did not follow the rules. Everyone else followed the rules. Why should this be an exception? If you don't have to follow the rules of the challenge, then everything should be a free study.
Oh, I really like the concept it's a great shot, but....DNMC. :(
huh? could you explain this? i can't see how it could meet the challenge any better...
You're kidding me, right? Is a chin part of the neck now? If I'm not mistaken, BETWEEN the knee and neck does not include a chin. Can you explain how you don't get this?
That's what challenge rules/discriptions are....measuring sticks and white gloves.
Chopping the head off in this photo would have made a big difference....at least to my eye.
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by kenskid:
It is a very creative and a well done photo but I'm with the minority on this....DPC never lets me down...I never know what to expect....most of the time this would have been DNMC right out of the top 20...however, for some reason, the ONLY photo showing some face got the red ! Every other photo (except one meant for the chips challenge) adhered perfectly to the rules.
Also...I covered up the photo down to the chin and it makes a DRASTIC difference in the composition and "feel" of the photo. Covering the chin down to the neck changes the whole feel of the shot...almost to the point of "monstrous" and even mannequin looking.
Originally posted by kichu:
It's a wonderful shot, but the "assignment" was to shoot subjects between the knee and the neck, which was very challenging and the criteria that everyone tried to fulfill. The woman in the background doesn't fulfill that. I'm not sure why everyone is ok with it. Maybe it's because the second part says "without feet and face," but to me it was clear that the challenge was supposed to be difficult because we could only shoot between knee and neck.
i understand there is criteria to a challenge for a reason but sometime people can't see the forest thru the trees, we get so caught up with our measuring sticks and white gloves we can't just enjoy a great shot
It is a very creative and a well done photo but I'm with the minority on this....DPC never lets me down...I never know what to expect....most of the time this would have been DNMC right out of the top 20...however, for some reason, the ONLY photo showing some face got the red ! Every other photo (except one meant for the chips challenge) adhered perfectly to the rules.
Also...I covered up the photo down to the chin and it makes a DRASTIC difference in the composition and "feel" of the photo. Covering the chin down to the neck changes the whole feel of the shot...almost to the point of "monstrous" and even mannequin looking.
Originally posted by kichu:
It's a wonderful shot, but the "assignment" was to shoot subjects between the knee and the neck, which was very challenging and the criteria that everyone tried to fulfill. The woman in the background doesn't fulfill that. I'm not sure why everyone is ok with it. Maybe it's because the second part says "without feet and face," but to me it was clear that the challenge was supposed to be difficult because we could only shoot between knee and neck.
i understand there is criteria to a challenge for a reason but sometime people can't see the forest thru the trees, we get so caught up with our measuring sticks and white gloves we can't just enjoy a great shot
It is a very creative and a well done photo but I'm with the minority on this....DPC never lets me down...I never know what to expect....most of the time this would have been DNMC right out of the top 20...however, for some reason, the ONLY photo showing some face got the red ! Every other photo (except one meant for the chips challenge) adhered perfectly to the rules.
Also...I covered up the photo down to the chin and it makes a DRASTIC difference in the composition and "feel" of the photo. Covering the chin down to the neck changes the whole feel of the shot...almost to the point of "monstrous" and even mannequin looking.
Originally posted by kichu:
It's a wonderful shot, but the "assignment" was to shoot subjects between the knee and the neck, which was very challenging and the criteria that everyone tried to fulfill. The woman in the background doesn't fulfill that. I'm not sure why everyone is ok with it. Maybe it's because the second part says "without feet and face," but to me it was clear that the challenge was supposed to be difficult because we could only shoot between knee and neck.
I can see the different views on what is ok and what is not, considering the title and description sort of contradict each other, but you got the ribbon and it's a lovely shot, so who cares! :)
Pleasantly surprised that this one did well considering that you did not exactly follow the description of the challenge. DPC is usually very unforgiving when it comes to not exactly following the challenge description. Maybe the voters are loosening up a bit? Who knows ... congrats on your ribbon!
I did follow the description part of the challenge ("without feet or face") more so than the actual title of the challenge... didn't even realize that it might be an issue until I started getting the DNMC comments.
Originally posted by kichu:
It's a wonderful shot, but the "assignment" was to shoot subjects between the knee and the neck, which was very challenging and the criteria that everyone tried to fulfill. The woman in the background doesn't fulfill that. I'm not sure why everyone is ok with it. Maybe it's because the second part says "without feet and face," but to me it was clear that the challenge was supposed to be difficult because we could only shoot between knee and neck.
It's a wonderful shot, but the "assignment" was to shoot subjects between the knee and the neck, which was very challenging and the criteria that everyone tried to fulfill. The woman in the background doesn't fulfill that. I'm not sure why everyone is ok with it. Maybe it's because the second part says "without feet and face," but to me it was clear that the challenge was supposed to be difficult because we could only shoot between knee and neck.
The little details from the hands give the viewer all the information they need, so they don't need to see the faces to understand the scene. That's exactly what you were supposed to do for this challenge. Well done.
I think we have a winner. it tells a story, it is technically strong, and is sexy without showing skin. how can it miss? Oh wait the collar is blown, can I give it a one?
I like your composition and the idea behind this photo. Provocative and racy without being too crass. The only thing that takes me away from the weight of this photo is the tag left on the sleeve of the suit jacket. I can understand if the suit was a prop, not wanting to remove the tag, but hiding that would have scored a point higher with me.
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