Have you ever tried to focus on someone with darker skin in poor lighting with your camera and the lens keeps hunting for a focal point. That is sort of what is happening with that HP. There simply is not enough foreground light on him for the camera to detect his face, so it assumes no one is standing there. If he put on some glasses it probably would track him no problem.
Have you ever tried to focus on someone with darker skin in poor lighting with your camera and the lens keeps hunting for a focal point. That is sort of what is happening with that HP. There simply is not enough foreground light on him for the camera to detect his face, so it assumes no one is standing there. If he put on some glasses it probably would track him no problem.
Why defend HP, what you say just may be true, but they are actively advertising a product that does not work with a large % of the population. They (HP) should of ether withheld the innovation until it could live up to exceptions completely, or provide a prominent yet genital notice on why it might not work in certain circumstances with certain skin tones.
I am not defending anyone. And really until I see actual proof that it effects a large percentage of people other than the guy in the video, I am not going to be convinced that there is anything wrong with the HP product in mention other than the technology may still not be 100% flawless. I am convinced that a little more foreground light on the subject and it would not be an issue.
Originally posted by alans_world:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Have you ever tried to focus on someone with darker skin in poor lighting with your camera and the lens keeps hunting for a focal point. That is sort of what is happening with that HP. There simply is not enough foreground light on him for the camera to detect his face, so it assumes no one is standing there. If he put on some glasses it probably would track him no problem.
Why defend HP, what you say just may be true, but they are actively advertising a product that does not work with a large % of the population. They (HP) should of ether withheld the innovation until it could live up to exceptions completely, or provide a prominent yet genital notice on why it might not work in certain circumstances with certain skin tones.
Put a light pointing to his face and I'm sure the software will pick his facial features up. You need lots of light to create contrast for the software and camera to pick up on details that help it work. Yes he is dark skinned and yes dark skinned people are harder to photograph. Does that make all photographers racist too?
Goes to show that when a machine is not set up properly and some uninformed people try to use it we get these types of reactions.
The way i took the YouTube clip it was made in fun. Not a totally serious accusation at HP at all. (HP - as a Brit i still can't see those initials without thinking of the sauce though)
1. Did anyone else notice that the images were mirrored. Was this a Myspace/Facebook video shot in a bathroom mirror?
2. Maybe HP computers are really smart and Desi is in witess protection or has a warrant out for his arrest. In that case the HP machine is looking out for him.
3. My own testing has shown that HP computers show people of all races, creeds, and colors equally well in the most important of all media - porn.
The way i took the YouTube clip it was made in fun. Not a totally serious accusation at HP at all. (HP - as a Brit i still can't see those initials without thinking of the sauce though)
I guess I reacted more to the thread title than the video. Although the video does insinuate that HP's software may be more tuned to paler skinned people. than darker skinned people.
Brian,actually I was being conversational not arguing, but, why in Gods green earth would I or anyone else point a light towards themselves to allow a product feature to work?
For the same reason you would put a flash on your camera?
Originally posted by alans_world:
Brian,actually I was being conversational not arguing, but, why in Gods green earth would I or anyone else point a light towards themselves to allow a product feature to work?
Why defend HP, what you say just may be true, but they are actively advertising a product that does not work with a large % of the population. They (HP) should of ether withheld the innovation until it could live up to exceptions completely, or provide a prominent yet genital notice on why it might not work in certain circumstances with certain skin tones.
Prominent genitals will get you noticed, if not arrested in this part of the planet. ,-)
Would like to see the technology under better lighting conditions. If we withheld innovations until they live up to expectations completely, there wouldn't be very many of them. There might not even be any Windows based computers.... OK, bad example, but you know what I mean... ;-)
Why defend HP, what you say just may be true, but they are actively advertising a product that does not work with a large % of the population. They (HP) should of ether withheld the innovation until it could live up to exceptions completely, or provide a prominent yet genital notice on why it might not work in certain circumstances with certain skin tones.
Prominent genitals will get you noticed, if not arrested in this part of the planet. ,-)
Would like to see the technology under better lighting conditions. If we withheld innovations until they live up to expectations completely, there wouldn't be very many of them. There might not even be any Windows based computers.... OK, bad example, but you know what I mean... ;-)
LOL,The biggest reason I work concrete, not words for a living..
1. Did anyone else notice that the images were mirrored. Was this a Myspace/Facebook video shot in a bathroom mirror?
Photobooth on the Mac does the same thing (mirrors the image) - Apparently it's to make it easier to record yourself as it's more like looking in a mirror, so for example when you raise your right hand, the correct hand raises in the video. Or something.
According to my HP contact, the software developed for this feature is face recognition software........since it was developed on the Asian rim, it's likely that this was just a whopper of an oversight that simply didn't occur to anyone.
According to my HP contact, the software developed for this feature is face recognition software........since it was developed on the Asian rim, it's likely that this was just a whopper of an oversight that simply didn't occur to anyone.
Of course, not a single black person lives in Asia nor do they know that dark skinned people might just live outside of Asia. Quite the oversight. ;\ lol
when I read this, I started to think about how Tech Support would field questions about this. Considering that the calls are probably taken somewhere in India, I think it would be kind of fun to listen in on a few of those calls.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
According to my HP contact, the software developed for this feature is face recognition software........since it was developed on the Asian rim, it's likely that this was just a whopper of an oversight that simply didn't occur to anyone.
