*hands raised* a question please... need to understand clearly:
From the Basic editing rule:
1. saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry, but no selections are allowed.
is selective desaturation still allowed? Example, if I selectively desaturated RED from the image (applied to entire image)?
A General rule (2 rules quoted below):
2. create your entry from a single capture ....&.... use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry.
Awhile back we had a discussion that some cameras can do multiple shots on a single output image, complete with EXIF data. How does the new rule (quoted above) applies to this condition? Thanks
I read the new rules. Other than 'hdr' processing and being able to clone out dust in basic editing, I don't see anything new here. ?
Which rule number stated that HDR is allowed? Doesn't HDR make use of multiple exposures/images? If you are referring to HDR from a single RAW file, I believe it was allowed even with the old set of rules?
I read the new rules. Other than 'hdr' processing and being able to clone out dust in basic editing, I don't see anything new here. ?
yea, it was more of a revision. we were trying to simplify and clarify
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I do have one question, the wording about changing a viewers perception of the image - does this apply to things like taking a shot during the day and processing it so it appears to be taken at night? Altering reality as it were.
Thanks
Not exactly sure what you're asking here. Are you saying because you are "altering reality" and making a day shot appear night, would this now be illegal?
*hands raised* a question please... need to understand clearly:
From the Basic editing rule:
1. saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry, but no selections are allowed.
is selective desaturation still allowed? Example, if I selectively desaturated RED from the image (applied to entire image)?
A General rule (2 rules quoted below):
2. create your entry from a single capture ....&.... use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry.
Awhile back we had a discussion that some cameras can do multiple shots on a single output image, complete with EXIF data. How does the new rule (quoted above) applies to this condition? Thanks
1. yes
2. in a situation like that, a camera feature would overrule the "rule." IF your camera does multiple exposures, then, yes, it would be legal.
I read the new rules. Other than 'hdr' processing and being able to clone out dust in basic editing, I don't see anything new here. ?
Which rule number stated that HDR is allowed? Doesn't HDR make use of multiple exposures/images? If you are referring to HDR from a single RAW file, I believe it was allowed even with the old set of rules?
yes. if you use one single RAW file. You can NOT use three (or two, or four, or seven, etc) different exposures, though.
...I often use black backgrounds and usually in the original they become dark gray so I use levels to darken to black...And sometimes I also burn some parts I want to obscure... Is doing this illegal now?
No, it's fine. A mostly featureless background has nothing significant to remove, and color shifts are legal. You'll only run into problems if you have a detailed background and make it blank. Removing the "context" or "environment" of a photo (if it had one) is definitely a significant part of your capture.
What about something that has more meaning like say a clear afternoon sky that you change to a clear night sky?
I read the new rules. Other than 'hdr' processing and being able to clone out dust in basic editing, I don't see anything new here. ?
yea, it was more of a revision. we were trying to simplify and clarify
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I do have one question, the wording about changing a viewers perception of the image - does this apply to things like taking a shot during the day and processing it so it appears to be taken at night? Altering reality as it were.
Thanks
Not exactly sure what you're asking here. Are you saying because you are "altering reality" and making a day shot appear night, would this now be illegal?
Yes. The rules say the photo can't be altered in such a way as to make the viewer draw a different conclusion about the photo. So if I turn a day shot into a night shot, is that sort of thing now against the rules, or was this bit specifically talking about cloning out parts of a shot?
You may: "overlay two copies of the same original file and process them differently to enhance dynamic range."
Typical DPC-style HDR work ("real" HDR is using 3 or more separate exposures generated in camera, of the same scene) involves creating a RAW image in-camera, processing 3 variations of it in RAW (minus 1, nominal, and plus 1) then combining the 3 variations into a single TIFF image, which may then sometimes be "tone mapped" into yet a third image. Speaking for myself, I sometimes work directly with the tone mapped image, and sometimes layer it over the original image and fade it.
As far as [i]Photoshop is concerned I am working with either one or two variants of the same exposure, BUT the HDR version was first defined by THREE "exposures" from the same RAW negative.
On the surface of it this would seem to be no longer allowed. But straight tone mapping off a single, 16-bit TIFF file is still OK.
It ain't a matter of what the voters think; it's a matter of what the PHOTOGRAPHERS think (and do). If it's not legal, I don't want to do it. As written it's not legal. Apparently it wasn't intended to BE illegal. So a touch-up on the wording may be in order.
That's the ONLY thing in the rules that pops right out at me as being in need of adjusting right now, so I say "Damn good job, SC!"
May not...
use ANY editing tool to move, remove or duplicate any element of your photograph that would change a typical viewer’s description of the photograph (aside from color or crop), even if the tool is otherwise legal, and regardless of whether you intended the change when the photograph was taken.
Where does blurring out a distracting background with gaussian sit with the rules?
Also... does anyone use shake and is it allowed? More of a curiosity than a strict rule question.
Where does blurring out a distracting background with gaussian sit with the rules?
You can blur a background into a blurry background, but not make it disappear entirely.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
So a touch-up on the wording may be in order.
That's the ONLY thing in the rules that pops right out at me as being in need of adjusting right now, so I say "Damn good job, SC!"
R.
As noted in the original post, we'll be making changes/tweaks as necessary after the month of testing; I don't think we are going to keep changing them every time an issue arises. This particular matter has been "officially answered" in this thread, so at least it shouldn't limit you in taking full advantage of this modification of the HDR technique.
