The way I read this, bad art isn't bad art at all, it's the snob view that defines the badness of the art. Basically, I think this is another way of stating beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You see, that's why I never vote 1,2,3 as a judge of someone else, if I don't understand their motivation, I have to take that as MY problem, that I (big letters) don't get it. Like some of Robert's double exposure work, without the explaination, I might have thought, whoa, hold the fone! This photo is WAY OUT OF FOCUS!!! Then I read his explaination of how he acheived this effect, through great effort, and the photo grew on me enormously. This goes back to my repeated, unsuccessful attempts to have comments with voting. Look at Robert's favorites page and tell me, of them, how many would get totally panned here? 'nough said, goodnight.
you have empathy for the photographer, as do i. it's not my desire to 'crush' anyone or keep them from wanting to enjoy their hobby.
interestingly many people do not seem to be able to feel that compassion, hence all the low scores.
they want to 'slap down' all the amateurs ... make them feel 'how dare they submit that picture of a cat' or whatever and call it 'art'.
this is unfortunate. because what all the people that rail against 'having to look at bad pics' don't realize is that there is nothing out there stopping so-called good photographers from submitting too. oh well....
Originally posted by Swashbuckler: The way I read this, bad art isn't bad art at all, it's the snob view that defines the badness of the art. Basically, I think this is another way of stating beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Yeah. If you say YOU'RE not interested, you aren't generalizing to the overall quality of it, just to your own preferences. But if you say it's bad, you're implying that everyone else in the world will think so too (which you probably don't have the right to judge, not having the same taste as them.)
That's why they tell people in counseling to use "I" statements when arguing. "I think that your cleaning habits are different than mine" comes across quite differently than "You're a big lazy slob who is going to suffocate in your own filth".
And for people who get upset by rude comments...try adding a "thinks" before the comment. Instead of reading "YOU SUCK, MORON!" read "Kimbly thinks that YOU SUCK, MORON!" That way you can decide that Kimbly is just about equivalent to the people who write "YOU SUCK, MORON!" on overpasses that you read when you're driving by in your car...and it becomes a bit less personal.
* This message has been edited by the author on 10/18/2002 12:47:08 AM.
I THINK having to add modifiers to speech and writing in order to keep people from losing control of THEIR EMOTIONS shows that THEY need to CHILL OUT >:-D
* This message has been edited by the author on 10/18/2002 7:11:43 AM.
Originally posted by hokie: I THINK having to add modifiers to speech and writing in order to keep people from losing control of THEIR EMOTIONS shows that THEY need to CHILL OUT >:-
Yep, most likely. But on a beginner site with a lot of new people all the time, there's no way you're going to get everyone to chill out. And so if one can 'keep the peace' by being a little bit more gentle in one's comments, then why not?
