what do ppl think about using a title inside a border above or below the image itself in an extended edit ..
is it even allowed .. and would ppl take exception ..
I wouldn't vote it down, but I don't think it adds anything.
And... as an aside... I think what we take are photographs, not pictures or pics. :D
We do occasionally create images when we join stuff with our photographs and photos.
But, now you've caught me on my soap box.
Beautiful photo, BTW!!
i like your soap box Lydia .. we all need a voice .. xx ..
anyhoooo .... i just shared something that gave ppl an idea of what i meant .. it wasnt meant to look good ...
and like you said .. adding that title to that image didnt add anything .. i completely agree ..
also i wasnt completely sure what you meant by this .. and i'm pretty sure it doesnt relate to my question ..
"And... as an aside... I think what we take are photographs, not pictures or pics. :D
We do occasionally create images when we join stuff with our photographs and photos."
You know me well, Roz, so... you know I am a wordie.
I think pictures are :
1
: to form a mental image of : imagine
2
: to describe graphically in words
3
: to paint or draw a representation, image, or visual conception of : depict
also : illustrate
If you take an image with your camera, that is a photograph or a photo.
If you combine that photo with another photo or more media, then it could be called an image... or possibly a picture.
But, a picture doesn't come out of a camera. Cameras produce photographs. Paint brushes, etc. produce pictures.
That's my opinion.
I came to that conclusion many years ago when I started my photography business. It was not a pictures business.
I realized that it sounded unprofessional to call the results of my work as "pictures" instead of "photographs" or "photos".
But, as I said (and you already knew), I am a wordie and think words mean stuff. :D
You know me well, Roz, so... you know I am a wordie.
I think pictures are :
1
: to form a mental image of : imagine
2
: to describe graphically in words
3
: to paint or draw a representation, image, or visual conception of : depict
also : illustrate
If you take an image with your camera, that is a photograph or a photo.
If you combine that photo with another photo or more media, then it could be called an image... or possibly a picture.
But, a picture doesn't come out of a camera. Cameras produce photographs. Paint brushes, etc. produce pictures.
That's my opinion.
I came to that conclusion many years ago when I started my photography business. It was not a pictures business.
I realized that it sounded unprofessional to call the results of my work as "pictures" instead of "photographs" or "photos".
But, as I said (and you already knew), I am a wordie and think words mean stuff. :D
I'm interested in your opinion about this.
i definitely hear you Lydia .. well not in my ears .. but you know what i mean .. 🤣
anyway . i've never really given it a heap of thought until i read what you wrote .. i think i've just done what felt right .. without thinking .. and yes that could be a problem in other areas .. 😜
i mean i usually say 'image' when its been edited in some way .. mainly like an extended edit .. because to me its no longer an actual photograph ..
so we are definitely on the same page with that .. phew .. !! ..
and hearing you talk about pictures .. i dont think i've ever referred to any photos as a picture .. because once again .. they arent a photograph ..
so Lydia .. we are like twinsies right now .. and i'm liking it .. !! .. ❤️
i will add though .. the plebs who dont take photography seriously could call our photographs pictures without batting an eye ..
we should shoot the lot of them .. !! .. 🤣
sorry if that's politically incorrect .. its getting really difficult to know these days .. 🥲
edit to say .. i didnt realise till after i posted that excellent pun or play on words or whatever it is .. about shooting the lot of them .. thats quite funny .. !! ..
i'd actually like to know what figure of speech that is for future reference .. xx ..
You know me well, Roz, so... you know I am a wordie.
I think pictures are :
1
: to form a mental image of : imagine
2
: to describe graphically in words
3
: to paint or draw a representation, image, or visual conception of : depict
also : illustrate
If you take an image with your camera, that is a photograph or a photo.
If you combine that photo with another photo or more media, then it could be called an image... or possibly a picture.
But, a picture doesn't come out of a camera. Cameras produce photographs. Paint brushes, etc. produce pictures.
That's my opinion.
I came to that conclusion many years ago when I started my photography business. It was not a pictures business.
I realized that it sounded unprofessional to call the results of my work as "pictures" instead of "photographs" or "photos".
But, as I said (and you already knew), I am a wordie and think words mean stuff. :D
I'm interested in your opinion about this.
i definitely hear you Lydia .. well not in my ears .. but you know what i mean .. 🤣
anyway . i've never really given it a heap of thought until i read what you wrote .. i think i've just done what felt right .. without thinking .. and yes that could be a problem in other areas .. 😜
i mean i usually say 'image' when its been edited in some way .. mainly like an extended edit .. because to me its no longer an actual photograph ..
so we are definitely on the same page with that .. phew .. !! ..
and hearing you talk about pictures .. i dont think i've ever referred to any photos as a picture .. because once again .. they arent a photograph ..
so Lydia .. we are like twinsies right now .. and i'm liking it .. !! .. ❤️
i will add though .. the plebs who dont take photography seriously could call our photographs pictures without batting an eye ..
we should shoot the lot of them .. !! .. 🤣
sorry if that's politically incorrect .. its getting really difficult to know these days .. 🥲
edit to say .. i didnt realise till after i posted that excellent pun or play on words or whatever it is .. about shooting the lot of them .. thats quite funny .. !! ..
i'd actually like to know what figure of speech that is for future reference .. xx ..
I've been starting to say "My art" or "my artwork".
I started doing outdoor art shows about 5 years ago. And there were definitely people who didn't think that photography was an art form.
There's a fine art show a state or two away that does not accept photography. Photography has to be put into their craft show. But there's a craft show that won't accept photography, because that's art.
I had a lady come into my booth, and ooooh and ahhh over things. She then asked me if it was oil or acrylic. I said photography. She said:
"Oh, I was going to tell you you were really good." and walked away.
This is an interesting discussion regarding the way we define our creative endeavors.
As a non-native speaker, I hadn't previously given a moment's thought to how I should translate the product of our creativity. In German, *Bild* (usually translated as "picture") serves as the umbrella term; it can be painted, photographed, or created in any other way. It can even exist solely in someone's mind. *Fotografie* is clearly defined—it was created using a camera—just as *Gemälde* is: created with a brush or pen. Although *Bild* is not, in itself, a derogatory term in German, I must admit that *Fotografie* sounds more professional and carries a greater sense of value.
I will make sure to keep this in mind when translating in the future.
Sorry, Roz—just a quick note here regarding your original question:
Unless the title is particularly striking, humorous, or clarifying—or otherwise adds some distinct value to the photograph—I would tend to find it rather distracting. There are challenges such as magazine cover, advertisement, book titls, or postcard—here a title is indispensable. Otherwise, the photograph itself should speak so eloquently that it requires no title at all.
Roz, I don't recall us having differing opinions about anything here. :D So, this does not suprise me. (Maybe FB, but I don't remember any there either. Perhaps you just ignore the stuff I rant about on there! :) )
Barry, HILARIOUS! LOL!
Barbara, that's interesting... I'm quite impressed with your English language skills. I always forget that it's not your first language. Like you, English is not my first language. I'm fluent in Sarcasm.
Wendy, photography is an art in my book. It's creative, and one uses tools to create the art. oh well... In either case, your photography is stellar.
This is an interesting discussion regarding the way we define our creative endeavors.
As a non-native speaker, I hadn't previously given a moment's thought to how I should translate the product of our creativity. In German, *Bild* (usually translated as "picture") serves as the umbrella term; it can be painted, photographed, or created in any other way. It can even exist solely in someone's mind. *Fotografie* is clearly defined—it was created using a camera—just as *Gemälde* is: created with a brush or pen. Although *Bild* is not, in itself, a derogatory term in German, I must admit that *Fotografie* sounds more professional and carries a greater sense of value.
I will make sure to keep this in mind when translating in the future.
Sorry, Roz—just a quick note here regarding your original question:
Unless the title is particularly striking, humorous, or clarifying—or otherwise adds some distinct value to the photograph—I would tend to find it rather distracting. There are challenges such as magazine cover, advertisement, book titls, or postcard—here a title is indispensable. Otherwise, the photograph itself should speak so eloquently that it requires no title at all.
I think "bild" translates to "image" in English which does not have to be a photograph. There is a photography exhibition near to where I live called "Vevey Images". It means "images", not necessarily "photos", even if they are ;) The point to me is that "images" are about "art" while photos could be anything :)
Roz, sorry to say this, but I am not sold on the idea of titles included on photos. They are added afterwards in a non-photo software so that already makes it an addition rather than the original intention of the photo?
I personally dislike titles/captions on photos. Well into curmudgeonry I have come to dislike signatures in photos as well. Admittedly there is no gospel here; indeed I know someone who discretely adds a tiny attractive Japanese sort of block print right in the photo as signature.
I don't think there are easy rules; remember that photographic prints were originally diddled...
Ultimately it is a matter of taste. Just recently I sat a show where the placement of the photo tag - next to a bottom corner - totally ruined the effect of the photo which in my view depended on you entering its space within space.... eta: the tag was a white rectangle adjacent to bottom left, while the photo and wall were in very muted tones.
thanks heaps everyone ..
your feedback was very much appreciated ..
it was just something i wondered about for the future .. but not really attached to in any way ..
and Lydia .. i lied .. unintentionally of coursse .
but i realized that i have used the word 'pics' to describe something that's obviously a photograph ..
that realization came a little while ago when i wrote to the sc .. and said pic referring to my photograph ..
i'll have to work on my memory .. it can betray me at times ..
so my bad .. i will never refer to a photograph as a pic or a picture again out of respect for you .. ❤️
All photographs are pictures, not all pictures are photographs.
All drawings are pictures, not all pictures are drawings.
All paintings are pictures, not all pictures are paintings.
I'm not sure why it should be such a big deal what someone calls it as long as the reference is clear.
But it is a deal. Words are like details or colours or shapes in an image: they give and take with their surroundings. Logic is a poor substitute for language.
A picture is a broad term for any visual representation or image. It encompasses a wide variety of formats, which can be broken down into the following common types:
Dictionary.com
‣ Physical or Digital Images: Visual depictions created on a surface (e.g. paper or canvas) or displayed on a screen.
Drawings & Paintings: Artworks created by hand using tools like pencils, charcoal, paints, or digital software.
‣ Photographs: Specific images captured using a camera or smartphone, which record light onto a photosensitive surface or digital sensor.
• Mental Image: A clear visualization or mnemory formed in your imagination
Merriam-Webster
The word can also be used as a verb (meaning to imagine or describe something visually), as a synonym for a movie/film. or to describe an overal situation (e.g.. "the big picture")
