...doesn't matter, it's the photographer. Well that may be true, but a photographer can't clean up noisy images. Every time I shoot images with new cameras I'm just amazed at how far you can push the ISO and still come out smelling like roses. This image is 8000(yes that is eight thousand) ISO and is a crop with very little done to the image.
OK really I just wanted to brag that my camera kicks ass. :D
Anybody who has tried to take night time sports shots knows how limiting your equipment can be. Most of us will not be getting shots like this with out 'the good stuff'. Nice details Matt.
I think of it as the 80/20 rule. 80% is the photographer and 20% is the gear, but ONLY if the photographer has the knowledge and skill to take advantage of the extra capability the gear offers.
im so glad you posted this.....really i was looking at buying the 1d mark iv but worried about iso issues....Thank you!
hang on...you did use the 1d mark iv for this right?
Yes this was shot with the 1DMKIV
Matt
This image is from the same game shot with the 7D at 6400ISO.
Matt--did you do anything (editing wise) with this image from the 7D, cause if not, this is pretty impressive also, considering the issues with noise Wendy seems to be having with her 7D over in this thread >>>> 7D noise thread
edit to add ( I know you have been helping out in that thread, just thought I would link the 2 for 7D users or interested future buyers :) )
im so glad you posted this.....really i was looking at buying the 1d mark iv but worried about iso issues....Thank you!
hang on...you did use the 1d mark iv for this right?
Yes this was shot with the 1DMKIV
Matt
This image is from the same game shot with the 7D at 6400ISO.
Matt--did you do anything (editing wise) with this image from the 7D, cause if not, this is pretty impressive also, considering the issues with noise Wendy seems to be having with her 7D over in this thread >>>> 7D noise thread
edit to add ( I know you have been helping out in that thread, just though I would link the 2 for 7D users or interested future buyers :) )
Nothing done special to the image. pretty much auto tone in CS5, quick run through Noise ninja at default levels of everything, except noise reduction turned down to retain detail. crop and resize. Same editing as done to the 1DMKIV image in the original post. Proper exposure of high ISO is essential for getting less noise in my opinion.
Ofcourse the tool matters. No modern day carpenter would choose to frame a house with a handsaw. The Pro will choose the right tool for the job - the tool that will do what he needs it to do.
But, then again, having a more expensive tool than needed has little gain.
I think of it as the 80/20 rule. 80% is the photographer and 20% is the gear, but ONLY if the photographer has the knowledge and skill to take advantage of the extra capability the gear offers.
Well then I'd say I'm about 30% short right now, but working on it. :D
i had a Mark IV loaner from canon earlier this month and was totally blown away by it and its ridiculous noise-handling. i'm lucky enough to have learned how to handle the equipment i have (mark IIns), and to be able to make clients happy, but there's no getting around the image quality you get without having to work nearly as hard, as well as the additional opportunities you get, when you have state of the art equipment.
the ONLY thing that bothered me about the Mark IV was that there is no easy way to go from 'still mode' to 'video mode'. if you don't shoot video now and don't ever see yourself shooting video, this doesn't matter. on the other hand, if you work professionally and aren't planning on shooting video, you're just digging your own grave...and the ability to transition will matter. at $5000 a body, it's a bit steep to have two bodies in order to have one in still mode and the other in video mode. it probably makes sense to have a 5D Mark II or a 7D as a backup/video camera.
aside from video, i could see the Mark IV being every bit as utilitarian as the Mark IIn: a body that you could buy today and probably get 3-4 years out of without having to buy the annual upgrade. admittedly, i haven't been racking my brain over this, but i'm having a hard time imagining just what other types of improvements they'll come up with over the next few years that would be worth it. maybe enhanced white balance handling? maybe better ergonomics? maybe ease-of-use features? i'm sure they'll come up with something, but all the same, $10,000 spent today on two bodies could easily be made to last a while.
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i had a Mark IV loaner from canon earlier this month and was totally blown away by it and its ridiculous noise-handling. i'm lucky enough to have learned how to handle the equipment i have (mark IIns), and to be able to make clients happy, but there's no getting around the image quality you get without having to work nearly as hard, as well as the additional opportunities you get, when you have state of the art equipment.
the ONLY thing that bothered me about the Mark IV was that there is no easy way to go from 'still mode' to 'video mode'. if you don't shoot video now and don't ever see yourself shooting video, this doesn't matter. on the other hand, if you work professionally and aren't planning on shooting video, you're just digging your own grave...and the ability to transition will matter. at $5000 a body, it's a bit steep to have two bodies in order to have one in still mode and the other in video mode. it probably makes sense to have a 5D Mark II or a 7D as a backup/video camera.
aside from video, i could see the Mark IV being every bit as utilitarian as the Mark IIn: a body that you could buy today and probably get 3-4 years out of without having to buy the annual upgrade. admittedly, i haven't been racking my brain over this, but i'm having a hard time imagining just what other types of improvements they'll come up with over the next few years that would be worth it. maybe enhanced white balance handling? maybe better ergonomics? maybe ease-of-use features? i'm sure they'll come up with something, but all the same, $10,000 spent today on two bodies could easily be made to last a while.
i shot this handheld with a 300mm (f/2.8, 1/500, iso6400) and slightly processed it in lightroom (ie, with minimal noise reduction).
yep, matt, you're right on the money: equipment does matter.
Skip I'm not sure how your loaner was set up. But getting video on my 1DMKIV is just a push of the set button in the middle of the wheel. I then just hit the correct ISO SS and Aperture and I'm ready. I never use liveview for anything other then video so it is one button push and setting parameters. Although I will tell you doing video on the 7D is much easier and what I usually use for video, at least until now I picked up an HD Flip camera and really like it. Although not DSLR quality and no interchangable lenses. Much easier files to deal with and good software for uploading.
Skip I'm not sure how your loaner was set up. But getting video on my 1DMKIV is just a push of the set button in the middle of the wheel. I then just hit the correct ISO SS and Aperture and I'm ready. I never use liveview for anything other then video so it is one button push and setting parameters. Although I will tell you doing video on the 7D is much easier and what I usually use for video, at least until now I picked up an HD Flip camera and really like it. Although not DSLR quality and no interchangable lenses. Much easier files to deal with and good software for uploading.
Matt
i imagine it was the factory default settings. since they sent it without a manual, all i had to go on was the dpreview guide. the only way i could find to go between modes was to go through the menu to change the live view mode from 'none' to 'movie'. if i'd known there was an easier way, i probably would have shot more video ;-)
