Ok so applying a white border of any size around a predominantly black image is in your opinion illegal?
When the added apparent background defines your composition, then I would have to agree with the application of the rule.
At what point is it apparent?
It would be apparent without the white bands between your black squares. The white bands are the canvas, right? If you add a border the same color, you increase canvas size.
Indeed they are original canvas and if you look closely you will see that they are not actually white by comparison to the white border
So are you saying that if a border is the same colour as any part of the image in which it comes into contact then it is added background?
Ok so applying a white border of any size around a predominantly black image is in your opinion illegal?
When the added apparent background defines your composition, then I would have to agree with the application of the rule.
At what point is it apparent?
It would be apparent without the white bands between your black squares. The white bands are the canvas, right? If you add a border the same color, you increase canvas size.
Indeed they are original canvas and if you look closely you will see that they are not actually white by comparison to the white border
So are you saying that if a border is the same colour as any part of the image in which it comes into contact then it is added background?
To be fair on this one, I believed everything up to the black "outer border" was canvas, and it certainly does appear that was your intention (I'm not saying it was, I'm saying it appears that way).
What strikes me as interesting is, having come up with the idea, you could quite easily have made all the white area canvas thus avoiding the potential DQ on borders.
The only step that looks like a legit border is step 1. Everything else is creating more image area that was not originally present. However, I'm surprised it was called up for validation. I presumed that the inner white area was part of the original photograph, and that the thin black line was the start of the border.
The question is at what point does the legal border become illegal, ie I can make it larger pixel by pixel but at what point does it stop being a border?
Actually I think this would be considered illegal too as there is no separation between the blue squares and the edge of the photo. If there was another thin border inside the white it may be legal. I may be wrong though. I usually am!
The question is at what point does the legal border become illegal, ie I can make it larger pixel by pixel but at what point does it stop being a border?
This question has been answered many times in this thread. When the border blends in with the photo then it is illegal. A border on a landscape doesn't blend into the landscape....but a border on something like your image becomes questionable as to whether it was part of the original photo!!
Initially Cropped:
...Legal
Add an inside border: ...Legal
Add Canvas area:
...ILLEGAL
Exactly. In the bolded example it looks like a border to me. Once he added the black border the white addition looked like part of the original capture. I simply put the slight difference in colour between squares down as shadow from the black mats that I presumed he used on a white background with holes in it.
Will, I'd say it's because all the white areas appear to be part of the original photograph. So the extra border is not distinguishable from the vertical strips dividing the three squares. Does that make sense?
Will, I'd say it's because all the white areas appear to be part of the original photograph. So the extra border is not distinguishable from the vertical strips dividing the three squares. Does that make sense?
If you look closely you will see that the vertical strips are not actually white though
Will, I'd say it's because all the white areas appear to be part of the original photograph. So the extra border is not distinguishable from the vertical strips dividing the three squares. Does that make sense?
If you look closely you will see that the vertical strips are not actually white though
Actually I think this would be considered illegal too as there is no separation between the blue squares and the edge of the photo. If there was another thin border inside the white it may be legal. I may be wrong though. I usually am!
Add an inside border:
...Legal??????
When I said inside border - this is the only inside border I added:
Actually I think this would be considered illegal too as there is no separation between the blue squares and the edge of the photo. If there was another thin border inside the white it may be legal. I may be wrong though. I usually am!
Add an inside border:
...Legal??????
When I said inside border - this is the only inside border I added:
not the part between the frames
Yeah...I know...I meant a small colored border between the red and the blue squares...something to separate them...as BeeCee said, because the strips between the squares were off white they looked like they were in shadow due to mats being used as the squares and the white border was actually a part of the photo. It needs something to completely distinguish the border as a 'border'...not as part of the photo.
Actually I think this would be considered illegal too as there is no separation between the blue squares and the edge of the photo. If there was another thin border inside the white it may be legal. I may be wrong though. I usually am!
Add an inside border:
...Legal??????
When I said inside border - this is the only inside border I added:
not the part between the frames
Yeah...I know...I meant a small colored border between the red and the blue squares...something to separate them...as BeeCee said, because the strips between the squares were off white they looked like they were in shadow due to mats being used as the squares and the white border was actually a part of the photo. It needs something to completely distinguish the border as a 'border'...not as part of the photo.
So the only way to rule on this is to state that the border must not come into contact with part of the image that is the same colour as that border yeah
