K_Fairbanks, After spending a little time looking through your photos--i'm impressed. The dance pics are fantastic and your dreamscapes are also excellent. If you're a 1x 'reject'... hmmm, I feel rather insignificant. :) Welcome!
Thanks, mpeters. I've been shooting pictures for a long time, so have had the advantage of a large archive. I'm a great fan of digital but don't have a grown-up digital camera yet. I have Cadillac tastes and no budget. I do own a nice view camera, though and a very nice scanner.
But photography is just a hobby nowadays. At this time, I spend more time working on Photoshop and web design than on new images. If I can ever get my hands on a good DSLR, I'll probably start shooting more photos. To be perfectly honest, I'm hoping to retire and can't afford the high cost of film and processing.
So what's your birth date? From looking at your photo, I think my statement is probably true of you. I re-joined 1X, but not because I have fans. I like the forums...and rejects are good for my blood circulation.
::sheepishly stares at toes:: Oh...that photo was taken by my Nikon hero, and I am the grateful to be the beneficiary of his VERY GRACIOUS skills in Photoshop. However, this morning, let us not speak of the sad truth of my age (or that my birthdate was on Tuesday), but rather the truth of the weight of your presence here. Our dear and treasured, MPeters mentioned the wealth of your archive makes him feel rather insignificant. Strongly, I disagree! Mark knows I am one of his biggest fans, and to him I would say that we should all be excited of the opportunity presented here to us! Let's not be bothered with endless comparisons, but rather the opportunity to learn from the valuable education of a lifetime of experience!
Dance photography is so important because as a living art...Dancers have such a brief space in time to present the height of all their training. These photographs preserve those precious moments of artistic expression and make a living art...timeless. King, I would hope that all the wealth of your experience has been formalized into a book or a series. If so, then please tell us the name of it...and if not...then shame on you to speak of retirement! Rather...the time has come to get busy and write one! Inquiring minds want to know...all the steps and thought process that lead up to...The Presentation.
I'm happy to hear that you re-opened your 1x.com account. For this particular thread is not about quitting...but all about artistic pouting!
Well, that's my two cents for today.
P.S. Ursula...don't you have a nice family of grizzly bears to go take a portrait of?...;-P
wow, this one is very nice Ursula! How could they reject that?! In fact, to tell you the truth I like it a lot more than the one they just accepted from you, simply because it is very refreshing (not N-th hardly distinguishable variation on the same theme), and even if one would want to replicate this shot, I bet it would be rather hard :). So many highly repetitive shots getting published on 1x over and over again... It does not make me angry, but it makes me rather sad...
I wonder sometimes if I just submit again one of the photos which I already published there, would it be accepted again? Chances are it would, and people would congratulate me with my great creative success :)
The one thing I kinda dislike about rejects - I'll see stuff in screening that I really quite like, and vote to publish, only to never see it again. There was one the other day I was really looking forward to seeing published, and it appears it did not make it through. Now I don't get to see it anymore.
wow, this one is very nice Ursula! How could they reject that?! In fact, to tell you the truth I like it a lot more than the one they just accepted from you, simply because it is very refreshing (not N-th hardly distinguishable variation on the same theme), and even if one would want to replicate this shot, I bet it would be rather hard :). So many highly repetitive shots getting published on 1x over and over again... It does not make me angry, but it makes me rather sad...
I wonder sometimes if I just submit again one of the photos which I already published there, would it be accepted again? Chances are it would, and people would congratulate me with my great creative success :)
You should try it. It's been done before, the same photo being published more than once, although with slight variations. In one case the same picture was published 3 times, once in colour, once in b/w, and once in a sepia like treatment thing (don't quote me, I think I remember this from when I was on crew, but I'm not 100% sure).
:)
Added: I think you might be on to something though ... it seems to be much easier for "familiar" images to be published, "familiar" both in the sense of the viewer being familiar with the scene/subject (that's where the "European" flavour comes into play), and familiar in the sense that the image fits in with the perceived style for the particular photographer (like my flower pictures). I hope that makes sense.
What I don't like about this "familiar" thing is that it pidgeon-holes people, and makes for a more closed/boring site. If I am good at making flower pictures, I get stuck with flower pictures, and work that's outside of my so called normal or my perceived style is not as easily accepted. All the familiar pictures published may be comforting to the core membership, but it makes the site both more boring and more "exclusive", or closed to anything different. Oh well.
Not that DPChallenge doens't have similar tendencies. "Familiarity" is a biggy here at DPC - frequently the same (or very similar) pictures win public approval over and over again.
The one thing I kinda dislike about rejects - I'll see stuff in screening that I really quite like, and vote to publish, only to never see it again. There was one the other day I was really looking forward to seeing published, and it appears it did not make it through. Now I don't get to see it anymore.
Yeah. You're right. I haven't had any time to screen in the last couple months, but in the past the same thing happened to me. Someone suggested that there be a folder for each photographer with their rejects, that they could make available for the general viewership (if they so wish). I think that would be a good idea. The folder is there already, just not visible to everyone, but I think it would be easy to make it an option for each photographer to make the folder visible or not. But I suppose that would go against the idea of "sublime" :)
A 1X member over on the 1X site just said that the 1X Reject Club is the saddest thing he'd seen. That really hurt my feelings and now my life has no meaning. Here's the entire post:
Andrew Thatcher wrote (click for original post):
Why don't the people who have a hard time getting to grips with being rejected start up a website called 1xrejects.com then everyone can see their work.
[to which I responded]
There is one. I'm a member:
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=863545
[to which Andrew replied]
Well thats just the saddest thing ive seen.
A 1X member over on the 1X site just said that the 1X Reject Club is the saddest thing he'd seen. That really hurt my feelings and now my life has no meaning. Here's the entire post:
Andrew Thatcher wrote (click for original post):
Why don't the people who have a hard time getting to grips with being rejected start up a website called 1xrejects.com then everyone can see their work.
[to which I responded]
There is one. I'm a member:
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=863545
[to which Andrew replied]
Well thats just the saddest thing ive seen.
to be frank, publishing on 1x is not one of the most challenging things to do either.
in fact if i have to rank publishing on 1x compared to hardest thing i have done or doing, i will only it is score of 1 out of 100 , if 100 being my hardest thing that i have ever done.
further having a page discussing about rejects is nothing to be ashamed of.
in fact it simply means that this site has much better forum blending compared to 1x. It seems people think they are friendlier enough to share it.
Oh! By the way...I found a photo of...::beams innocently::...Yanko's House!
I went over there to paper his house, but found no trees in the front yard.
Dang...let's cut his phone lines instead...that way he can't...Phone Home!
::runs...as melethia has me banned from her thread::
Phone lines? I don't have those either. I use a Speak & Spell gaffered to a turntable. The reception is good enough.
Which disproves...yet again...Mr. Thatcher's point...we are not sad...we are just completely HOPELESS! ;-)
1x.com provides value as a place of presentation. That's it! However, if our feelings are hurt upon rejection or snide comments, then that is no one's fault but our own...purely because we give them that power.
Thank you, melethia, for providing this thread as a place to enjoy each other's work.
[to which Andrew replied]
Well thats just the saddest thing ive seen.
If this thread is the saddest thing he's ever seen in his life, then I applaud Andrew Thatcher. (He must not watch the evening news very much).
We all have the right to be who we are in this world (with or without Mr. Thatcher's permission). However, I do apologize if I've been overly playful.
It is very good to have fun. It isn't so good to be too serious about this internet stuff. Don't apologize, Mae, I think all of us love your playfulness! If we take ourselves too seriously, then ... hmmmm ... I don't know what :)
[to which Andrew replied]
Well thats just the saddest thing ive seen.
If this thread is the saddest thing he's ever seen in his life, then I applaud Andrew Thatcher. (He must not watch the evening news very much).
We all have the right to be who we are in this world (with or without Mr. Thatcher's permission). However, I do apologize if I've been overly playful.
It is very good to have fun. It isn't so good to be too serious about this internet stuff. Don't apologize, Mae, I think all of us love your playfulness! If we take ourselves too seriously, then ... hmmmm ... I don't know what :)
Hopeless is good too! ;P
Could someone point me to that thread at 1x?
eta: Their forum isn't that lively. There are only 4 threads that were active within the last 30 hours. I assume this thread gets more attention than their entire board so, why not come here to discuss?
My only issue is that nobody here says much that is helpful about the rejects in question. Personally, I'm not looking for criticism but I assume some people are, if they never or rarely get published and seriously wish to.
I figure if someone wants feedback on a rejection, they'll ask for it (and you're all welcome to do just that.) Otherwise I'll assume this thread is just to share and get a little sympathy with your whine. :-)
My only issue is that nobody here says much that is helpful about the rejects in question. Personally, I'm not looking for criticism but I assume some people are, if they never or rarely get published and seriously wish to.
Here's the 1X.com thread where the comment appears: //1x.com/v2/#discussions/13935/rejection-folder/
I'm a supportive person and I even like snapshots :>) , so I'm not the one to ask for criticism...but I'd be very happy to express my opinion, if asked. I'm here to have fun, but if I can be of assistance, that's good, too.
