Tongue in cheek here, but does this mean we can DQ photos who's exif info says that they have in camera sharpening or color saturation, etc etc applied?
If not, then what's the difference when doing the same thing in post processing.
What about those cameras shot in RAW mode? They have to be post processed don't they?
:)
I'm new to this challenge thing. I've read the rules, and one of them is no spot editing. Now, can someone define spot editing to me? I've seem some submission which to me clearly shows spot editing and yet they were not DQ. can someone help me out here?
I think it's a good challenge... It will force photographers to pay attention to exposure, color balance, etc. instead of relying on Photoshop and a pretty good challenge/idea in that respect. What's the big deal, it's just one challenge, and a "fun" idea making it a complete opposite of the Future challenge in both theme and rules. Just go with it. :)
602: Outdoor shots are very hard to whitebalance correctly and often have a bit flat colors that need a boost. My camera is always on soft sharpening = no sharpening and the images are therefore incredibly 'soft'. Put it on normal and the camera oversharpens.
I think that at least USM should be allowed.
But I'll try...
Where is my blue colored whitebalance card and lets search for a undetailed pic. I don't even know if the camera has a Sepia mode. :)
Azrifel, I have my 602 on Fine-Normal Sharpen and I don't think it over sharpens. Just switch to Normal for this one (don't forget to switch it back afterwards :) As far as the white-balance, you're probably right about that.
Chunsum, spot editing means you selectively choose part of the picture and apply some sort of edit or modification to that part. The most obvious spot edit would be using the Clone tool. What photos have seen that show "obvious spot editing"? If you think a pic has been spot edited, then send a DQ request. If you have done that but never received a reply on it, it probably means the admins found no evidence of spot editing.
Have you ever tried to enjoy the aesthetics of a film negative?
LOL, had to quote that, it had me laughin a bit!
Anyway, I would like to say that I'm not particularly angry about this challenge. What I am mad about is the blatant statement that The Future challenge was a mistake. I gave more tens in that challenge, and added more of the photos from it to my favorites, than I have in any challenge in the past. That's a mistake?!
I think this no-editing thing is kind of dumb, especially for the reason that John stated. An old photograph of the past should look old and in order to create something old we will have to post-process it to look that way since it really isn't, ie: converting to sepia or black and white and adding noise and grain, etc.
I suppose my camera can do some of that in it but not as well as can be done in photoshop. Whatever, I might submit something. I've been missing more than a few challenges lately, the future included, so I don't know if i'll be submitting to this one. We don't have to submit to every challenge though, that was a good point.
I don't think the Future challenge was wrong. As an exception to the rules, it was really fun!
The "No-manipulation" challenge can be interesting too, but it has to be an exception to the rules as well. Basic editing is one of the great advantages of digital cameras, so why don't use it?
Even with film you get to choose the type of film for different purposes. I've become somewhat better at post-processing for black and white lately, including attempts at simulating the results from a high-contrast pan film like an Ilford by colour channel swapping and adjusting gamma. A direct greyscale translation is usually very flat and undesireable.
Eliminating post-processing is as arbitrary as eliminating in-camera control. I have no problem with constraints on the subject matter, but to constrain necessary workflow is counterproductive, uneducational, uninteresting and just plain bizarre. It's essentially promoting mediocrity. Can we submit one next where we didn't actually use the camera? I drew my submission in MS Paint. That way, even though I don't have a camera I can participate. Yay. Cookies and milk for everyone.
We'll get a bunch of crap next week, mark my words. We get the best results from challenges which are as open as possible.
James.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Good old fashioned photography?
Well, it might compare with old-fashioned "popular" photography where you shot all the frames on your Brownie, mailed the camera back to Kodak, and got back prints and another loaded camera. Maybe the technicians performed the wizardry you describe, but the vast majority of film photographers (public, not pros) don't have much to do with the final output.
I'm not particularly in favor of "No Processing" in general but can try and cope for one challenge.
I think it's a fun idea - and oddly enough, challenging. I think the mistake refers to the enormous fuss there was about the photoshopping of images in The Future: but as ever, it's always the complainers who make the most noise.
Also, there are two challenges running still, and this and the previous one were extras: this is also a rules idea that has been suggested from time to time, and is just as valid as any other.
I shall say it again, because I don't think enough people are going to: it's an excellent idea.
Ed
PS. Aren't those of us in Europe at a certain advantage? We have lots of really old stuff to photograph? :-)
It's been said before, and I'll say it again: You don't have to enter every challenge. I, for one, will give this challenge a shot.
This is outstide of the usual member and non-member challenges, I don't think this spells the the demise of DPC, and I couldn't care less if people leave because of the editing rules in this challenge. I have no time for hissie fits.
This is an interresting challenge to me, in the sense that we'll see who is able to properly compose a picture without having to rely on cropping. Yes, it would be nice to be able to colour and level correct, but we'll just have to deal with it.
We're all (mostly) adults here. If you don't like it, take a break, take a vacation or just plain take a hike.
I'm not at all a fan of no-edit challenges as a regular thing, but I think this could be fun as a one-time experience.
As several people have pointed out, nobody ever said you have to enter this challenge. If you don't like it, skip it -- simple as that.
There are two others this week.
-Terry
