I would take that to mean that DPC is fine. They aren't going to know about it if a) you don't tell them or b) you win and the other "contest" doesn't raise a beef.
Since DPC isn't going to raise stink for an entry winning in another contest, it's going to be a moot point.
I don't see why the you make the assumption in b) that the objection will/has to come from the other contest. For sure people from this site will be checking the reults of the Smithsonian contest. It may be another person who has entered that contest who raises a question about a dpc challenge entry being eligible under their rules. Or just someone who has seen your winning shot in the challenges here.
DPChallenge is a challenge site, with members. We have internal contests with each other. Nobody wins anything of tangible value, and we (the photographer) still have exclusive rights to our photos.
Why stir up a hornets nest? I think Robert hit on the head earlier...it's not an issue.
Supposing you won a prize in the Smithsonain contest with an image that had been entered in one of our challenges, but before your prize was announced they asked you to verify that you have exclusive rights to it. Can you honestly say "yes, I have exclusive rights to it" while dpc has the shot posted in the challenge results?
Supposing you won a prize in the Smithsonain contest with an image that had been entered in one of our challenges, but before your prize was announced they asked you to verify that you have exclusive rights to it. Can you honestly say "yes, I have exclusive rights to it" while dpc has the shot posted in the challenge results?
If this were to happen, you could have DPC remove the image. I'm sure they would.
Thanks for the heads up on the contest. I have decided to submit four entries (not the edited picture category). Other than DP and the San Diego County Fair (one of the larger ones in the country- got an honorable mention on my first time), this is the first major contest I have entered. I am curious how I will do but along with everyone will have to wait until at least March 31st to know if we made the finalists. Hopefully if anyone from here makes it they will share their pictures with the rest of us.
I am probably going to enter this contest and I wasn't really satisified with the way this thread ended last week so I wrote to them asking if dpc challenge entries were eligible.
The first reply I got was the same as the one karmat posted earlier in this thread, apparently a standard response. After karmat posted it there was still speculation here that you could enter a challenge entry in the Smithsonian contest so I replied to their e-mail as follows;
Dear Smithsonian,
That's the same answer that I have seen previously
quoted in a forum post. I was asking specifically
about the challenges at dpchallenge.com. Some people
are saying it's OK to use challenge entries for the
Smithsonian contest because the challenges aren't
really a contest. I would like to know what your
official stand would be on entering an image in the
Smithsonian contest that had previously been used to
enter a challenge at dpchallenge.com.
Regards, Harvey
If it was legal I was going to enter my highest scoring challenge shot with hopes they would like it as mush as dpc voters did.
Here's the answer I got to my second inquiry:
Hello,
We will not be accepting photographs that have previously
been posted on the dpchallenge.com website.
Sincerely,
SMITHSONIAN
So there you have it. Not the answer I was hoping for but better safe than sorry.
Once an image is entered into a contest on DPC it is legally considered published.
I just entered one of my images. I hope I did the sizing thing right. It says under 1Mb, but the image looked like crap at that size so I saved for web an 8Mb image and optimized the image to 999Kb. It uploaded that way, so I hope it took.
I am probably going to enter this contest and I wasn't really satisified with the way this thread ended last week so I wrote to them asking if dpc challenge entries were eligible.
The first reply I got was the same as the one karmat posted earlier in this thread, apparently a standard response. After karmat posted it there was still speculation here that you could enter a challenge entry in the Smithsonian contest so I replied to their e-mail as follows;
Dear Smithsonian,
That's the same answer that I have seen previously
quoted in a forum post. I was asking specifically
about the challenges at dpchallenge.com. Some people
are saying it's OK to use challenge entries for the
Smithsonian contest because the challenges aren't
really a contest. I would like to know what your
official stand would be on entering an image in the
Smithsonian contest that had previously been used to
enter a challenge at dpchallenge.com.
Regards, Harvey
If it was legal I was going to enter my highest scoring challenge shot with hopes they would like it as mush as dpc voters did.
Here's the answer I got to my second inquiry:
Hello,
We will not be accepting photographs that have previously
been posted on the dpchallenge.com website.
Sincerely,
SMITHSONIAN
So there you have it. Not the answer I was hoping for but better safe than sorry.
Wow, it's even worse. Now that clarification appears to exclude anything we have in our portfolio on DPC, even beyond the entries into challenges!
We will not be accepting photographs that have previously
been posted on the dpchallenge.com website.
Sincerely,
SMITHSONIAN
So there you have it. Not the answer I was hoping for but better safe than sorry.
Wow, it's even worse. Now that clarification appears to exclude anything we have in our portfolio on DPC, even beyond the entries into challenges!
It rules clearly state cannot enter anything that has been published. I know we don't commonly think of posting an image as publishing in the traditional sense, but it is definatly a form of publication. I wouldn't worry about the portfolio images as much if they haven't been up for a long time (and been copied and downloaded) The Challenge entries, however, cannot be removed.
Wow, it's even worse. Now that clarification appears to exclude anything we have in our portfolio on DPC, even beyond the entries into challenges!
True, but at least it's clear. The Smithsonian is a big time photo contest. They will be getting lots of high quality entries. I view it as their way of trying to cut down on the number of less serious entries they have to deal with.
I hope a lot of people from dpc enter. It would be a feather in the cap of our community if we copped a bunch of prizes there.
Wow, it's even worse. Now that clarification appears to exclude anything we have in our portfolio on DPC, even beyond the entries into challenges!
True, but at least it's clear. The Smithsonian is a big time photo contest. They will be getting lots of high quality entries. I view it as their way of trying to cut down on the number of less serious entries they have to deal with.
I hope a lot of people from dpc enter. It would be a feather in the cap of our community if we copped a bunch of prizes there.
... I view it as their way of trying to cut down on the number of less serious entries they have to deal with. ...
So, DPChallenge members don't have serious photo's in their portfolio or as a challenge entry here?
Smithsonian is going to have a lot of images to parse thru if somebody from here wins. I certainly wouldn't consider one of my images posted here as "published".
I'm getting the feeling that Smithsonian is considering that even a posted image is published whether it was in a challenge or not.oops...sorry I seen that's been addressed. Thanks for the clarification.
Checking the rules, I'm out, usually over half my income comes from photography. Quite a rights grab: "By entering the contest, entrants grant Smithsonian the right to publish and use submitted photographs in print or electronic form in a future issue or issues, for advertising and promotion of the magazine, for exhibition, and for commercial products, including but not limited to Smithsonian publications. Any photograph reproduced will include a photographer credit."
Commercial products, yikes. I would never hand over a contest-worthy image with that clause. Good luck to those who enter.
I certainly wouldn't consider one of my images posted here as "published".
You might not but they do. When they put an image on their online site they rightly consider that image legally published. Why should any other comercial website be exempt from the standards they themselves must adhere to?
Certainly anyone who has a few great images up on DPC has at least as many in that same class that haven't been posted. If not they should be capable of producing a noteworthy image in the next several months. Just think, when submitting to DPC the time limit to produce, edit and submit an image is usually only seven days.
Also a note: What does good here may not do well in a juried show. Heavy handed post processing will doom any image to the discard pile unless it is entered in the "Digital Manipulation" category. NI, Glausian Blur and excessive USM are no nos.
I would have no objection if someone wanted to take my inquiry about what from dpc is eligible for the Smithsonian's contest a step further. It answered my question, which was about a challenge entry, to my satisfaction. I do recognize that a strict reading leaves us unable to enter any shot that has been displayed here. I jsut wanted to get a specific answer about a particular shot I was thinking of entering. I had no intention of preventing other dpc users from entering whatever they want. I just didn't want my entry to be found ineligible for any reason.
Checking the rules, I'm out, usually over half my income comes from photography. Quite a rights grab: "By entering the contest, entrants grant Smithsonian the right to publish and use submitted photographs in print or electronic form in a future issue or issues, for advertising and promotion of the magazine, for exhibition, and for commercial products, including but not limited to Smithsonian publications. Any photograph reproduced will include a photographer credit."
Commercial products, yikes. I would never hand over a contest-worthy image with that clause. Good luck to those who enter.
I am normally very cynical in my approach to such clauses in contest rules, but in this case I have such a high regard for the Smithsonian's reputation that it doesn't bother me. I think they will only be using the prize winners in that fashion, and if I am correct about that, the photographer would be receiving some compensation (the prize) for the photo. And it does not say they claim exclusive rights.
Tough that you can't enter. However there are contests I would like to enter but amateurs are not allowed, so that coin has two sides to it.
Checking the rules, I'm out, usually over half my income comes from photography. Quite a rights grab: "By entering the contest, entrants grant Smithsonian the right to publish and use submitted photographs in print or electronic form in a future issue or issues, for advertising and promotion of the magazine, for exhibition, and for commercial products, including but not limited to Smithsonian publications. Any photograph reproduced will include a photographer credit."
Commercial products, yikes. I would never hand over a contest-worthy image with that clause. Good luck to those who enter.
I am normally very cynical in my approach to such clauses in contest rules, but in this case I have such a high regard for the Smithsonian's reputation that it doesn't bother me. I think they will only be using the prize winners in that fashion, and if I am correct about that, the photographer would be receiving some compensation (the prize) for the photo. And it does not say they claim exclusive rights.
Tough that you can't enter. However there are contests I would like to enter but amateurs are not allowed, so that coin has two sides to it.
Doesn't bother me that I can't enter, just watching out for clauses where the sponsoring organization entitles themselves to be able to make and sell a million coffee mugs or whatever with my (potential) stock photo on it. :-) I sure don't mind not entering, there's plenty of other places to showcase the work.
In my line (equine) pubs solicit user photos all the time as a way of keeping their costs down and with contracts that are just complete rights grabs--the equivalent of free royalty-free shots! An inside shot in a top magazine might net from $25-200 tops. Pretty heinous, when their ad rates per page are in the thousands. So I'm a little sensitive.
