I think the title of this website is "digital photography contest" not who has the best title.
What you say is true. This is a photography site, a digital photography contest site.
Are the challenges not to be viewed also as an assignment? I know others in past threads like this have made analogies such as a photographer being sent out to photograph a red apple...the photog comes back with a photo of a green lime. Did the photographer meet the assigment? No.
If I follow the implied rules of the assignment, that I am to be graded on (consider votes the grades), then isn't fair to expect a level playing field for the assignment (challenge)?
If every title in the challenge was D*** & L*** then we have an even playing field where the images do the speaking. When many disregard the rules of the assignment the advantage goes to ???
The point I've been trying to make is coming up with a D/L title without the AND is not the same. For example 'Dynamic Lines' is not the same as 'Dynamic & Lines'. The second with the AND doesn't work does it? Yet there could be a multitude of subjects to shoot that fit the first example. Not following the implied rules to include the AND handicaps those that did by LIMITING the subject range.
By the way does anybody know Drew Langdon (D L)? Oh, I'm sorry I meant Drew & Langdon (D&L).
I think the title of this website is "digital photography contest" not who has the best title.
What you say is true. This is a photography site, a digital photography contest site.
Are the challenges not to be viewed also as an assignment? I know others in past threads like this have made analogies such as a photographer being sent out to photograph a red apple...the photog comes back with a photo of a green lime. Did the photographer meet the assigment? No.
If I follow the implied rules of the assignment, that I am to be graded on (consider votes the grades), then isn't fair to expect a level playing field for the assignment (challenge)?
If every title in the challenge was D*** & L*** then we have an even playing field where the images do the speaking. When many disregard the rules of the assignment the advantage goes to ???
The point I've been trying to make is coming up with a D/L title without the AND is not the same. For example 'Dynamic Lines' is not the same as 'Dynamic & Lines'. The second with the AND doesn't work does it? Yet there could be a multitude of subjects to shoot that fit the first example. Not following the implied rules to include the AND handicaps those that did by LIMITING the subject range.
By the way does anybody know Drew Langdon (D L)? Oh, I'm sorry I meant Drew & Langdon (D&L).
Yes it says use the INITIALS. nothing about the '&' which is a symbol not an initial.
[quote=gayle43103] And here we go...my score is steadily going down now probably because of the title. I came here to learn about technique and I'm learning that some people put such an emphasis on small things. I think the title of this website is "digital photography contest" not who has the best title.
"This is all very silly. Personally I think the "D" and the "&" and the "L" are all very crucial due to the criteria clearly outlined in the challenge rules. That's me. Some don't think it's that important. That's them. But.... first and foremost, it has to be a good photo. If it's a good photo with a non-"D&L" title, then point off! The D and the L do not have to go together. Some of the photos are hilarious BECAUSE the D and L do not go together. That's the point. That's CREATIVITY IMHO!!!
I take a point off for poor use of title (my preference) on a good shot. I will take off a heck of a lot more points for a bad photo with a good title (again my preference). That's MY interpretation of the rules. I'm not saying that's right, I'm just simply saying that's my reasoning. Everyone else is perfectly capable of making their own decisions and interpreting the rules as THEY see fit. Why do we have to debate the issue? Why can't we just vote on what the photo says to us as individuals and how we as individuals feel it meets the challenge rules." Idowse
I certainly did not mean to start such a controversy when I first wrote this post this morning. Just being new here I wanted to make sure I understood how others viewed the challenge description...if the & was crucial or not....
I have read many good arguments for both sides through this thread. I can see both points of view. I guess it boils down to what Idowse states above...how we feel as individuals about the photo. I have tried to vote accordingly...I feel that the title should be important for this particular challenge, but if I found a picture that was composed well and at least had the D L in the title, I still scored it high.text
the Denim & lace! What the hell do those have to do together? Or a dumbell and lace?
Why does it make a difference if the D and L items go together if they are both clearly shown in the picture? My items don't go together at all but they are clearly d and l items.
(and for the record so is the title)
The D and L doesn't have to go together literaly. They just have to be creative, and not look like you had nothing else to put in your image so you took some random words from dictionary and forced them into a pic.
Personally, I feel that the fact that so many placed the denim and lace together, along with the low creativity shown here lately, show that denim and lace are just too easy for people to shoot.
And just like voting down flora and sunset, unless they move me, I am voting down everything lacks the creativity, unless it moves me.
Sorry, denim and lace as seen in this challenge don't move me.
If your shot is creative - I'll vote it high.
And I truly do not care if you have the '&' in your title, or if your items literaly "go together" or not.
I am using this thread instead of starting another new one on the D&L challenge.
Basically, my gripe is that I feel I have been marked down on my entry (according to a comment I have recieved) because I have not put "AND" in my title.
I have both a D and an L in the title and in the subject so dont see the problem.
Moan over.
I think it's time to start really getting tough on those slackers who haven't taken the trouble to think and obey the instructions, no ampersand - no higher than a 3.
So there
Yah and get tough on people who don't know the difference between initials and symbols. Nothing higher than a 3 for anyone who didn't just use the initials.
Yah and get tough on people who don't know the difference between initials and symbols. Nothing higher than a 3 for anyone who didn't just use the initials.
'what do these initials mean to you?'
How about:
and title your shot with your D&L definition!
So like Dork & Lameo would be the definition explaining what the D and L stands for.
6.1279 and 2 favorites has you pissin' and moanin'? Sheesh. Mine is pure D&L, if unimaginatively titled (to be safe), and it's not gonna break 6 on what I think is a nice image...
What if I use lower case letters and the first word is hyphenated? Like dumb-a$$ and the last word is all CAPS like L0$ER. If I use an ampersand in between you will score me ok won't you....please...please don't take points from me.
Or how about if the title is in the persons native laguage? Deduct because it is not an English title?
Oh yeah, while your fretting over the ampersand and spelling and whatever else, TAKE A LOOK AT THE PICTURE.
While we are examining the instructions the challenge statesd what do these INITIALS mean to you - now I don't remember an '&' being an initial.
This is exactly the way I took the challenge. My title interestingly enough, would still work if I had the & in the middle, but it seemed like I was forcing the language a little to do just that.
I don't know if I'll get around to voting on this one or not, and I don't have an entry in this challenge, but I have to agree with pawdrix, and as others have stated. I mean c'mon, and before you start with the 'what's the point of having a "challenge"', I agree with that, I hate for example seeing the flower shot, or sunset shot or whatever 'shoehorned' into any old challenge with a seemingly clever title, but MAN, if it's got a d-thing, and a l-thing, sheesh, give me a break. I think if you're into splitting hairs like that, you need to be in law school, or in a debate club or something. Just my opinion of course, but really, puh-lease.
Didn't enter. I have voted on all 199 images. I think the quality is good in this challenge. I've commented on about 20%. Gave out 24 4's nothing less, about 12% of the challenge, all the rest are 5's or better. I'm going back to the lower scores, re-evaluate the score and comment on them. Just remember the comments are just an opinion, if you want to pm me that’s fine, but I'll probably not respond.
ps; & sign is not being considered in the voting or comments....lol
What if I use lower case letters and the first word is hyphenated? Like dumb-a$$ and the last word is all CAPS like L0$ER. If I use an ampersand in between you will score me ok won't you....please...please don't take points from me.
Or how about if the title is in the persons native laguage? Deduct because it is not an English title?
Oh yeah, while your fretting over the ampersand and spelling and whatever else, TAKE A LOOK AT THE PICTURE.
I don't know why this made me giggle, but it did.
I have one nitpicky thing about comments and then I'll shut up about that. I have rec'd a couple of comments regarding the colors in my photo and it's sort of bugging me. Clearly on my computerS (plural) at home and the one at work the color in question is the color it should be. Apparently some commentators are getting that color "off" as a variation on this color (red + yellow = (fill in the blank)). It's bugging me a little because when I did the photograph I selected a specific hue of a specific color and know that on the 3 computers I have checked the color is what it should be. Perhaps we should all remember when it comes to some hues of colors--our monitors interpret things differently and project to us that interpretation.
What if I use lower case letters and the first word is hyphenated? Like dumb-a$$ and the last word is all CAPS like L0$ER. If I use an ampersand in between you will score me ok won't you....please...please don't take points from me.
Or how about if the title is in the persons native laguage? Deduct because it is not an English title?
Oh yeah, while your fretting over the ampersand and spelling and whatever else, TAKE A LOOK AT THE PICTURE.
I don't know why this made me giggle, but it did.
Thanks, it was supposed to be funny. I agree with the color comment too. I use dual monitor, one LCD and the other CRT and I end up checking on both but still get some odd reports on things I just do not see.
Just learned something, when I comment its usually as I vote. I went back to all my 4's and found some that was voted on a little harsh. I bumped a few to 5 and couple to 6........I'm going to try to comment on all the images, I'm falling off a little........interesting hmmmmm.
So my next set of votes will not go to how you wrote your D and L, but how obvious the D and L is to an ignorant audience. If you used your D and L as names as people, i'm not buying it - unless they are wearing namebadges - because there is nothing in the image that proves that D and L.
Just for giggles, the challenge topic says "what else could those initials stand for?"
If you want to be literal, read it more carefully.
I'm beginning to think threads discussing voting strategies during challenges should enter the realm of 'frowned upon' conduct - putting it in the same category as discussing specific photos etc.
